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Old September 17th, 2008, 02:04 PM   #1
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Question What happened with Patty Wagstaff?

After her "incident" at Oshkosh.
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Old September 17th, 2008, 02:08 PM   #2
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After her "incident" at Oshkosh.
This was from earlier this month, but is all I have heard lately.
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A jury trial has been scheduled for an air show pilot who was cited after an incident on the airport grounds during the Experimental Aircraft Association's AirVenture.



Patty Wagstaff, 56, entered not guilty pleas to a charge of first time drunken driving and also a citation for refusing to take a test for intoxication in connection with a July 31 incident on the grounds of Wittman Regional Airport after a Gathering of Eagles event during AirVenture 2008.
A further proceedings hearing will take place Oct. 14 and a jury trial is scheduled for Oct. 28.

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Old September 17th, 2008, 02:10 PM   #3
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Re: What happened with Patty Wagstaff?

I believe she has a court date in her future. Still plenty of time for negotiations, though, so we'll have to wait and see. Fear not, when there is some more concrete information it will spread (and mutate) quickly - lots of folks are interested.

Is your avatar taken inside the Flying Tent at OSH? Or maybe Lycoming's?
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Old September 17th, 2008, 02:43 PM   #4
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Is your avatar taken inside the Flying Tent at OSH? Or maybe Lycoming's?
Yes, Sean Tucker is at my side. That is another thread I would like to start. Who is better Sean Tucker or Mike Goulian?

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Old September 17th, 2008, 02:45 PM   #5
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Yes, Sean Tucker is at my side. That is another thread I would like to start. Who is better Sean Tucker or Mike Goulian?
Feel free to do so!
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Re: What happened with Patty Wagstaff?

Any update on this. I know I, of many people, would like to know if she's gotten her due punishment yet.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 12:37 AM   #7
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Any update on this. I know I, of many people, would like to know if she's gotten her due punishment yet.
New Charge Brought Against Wagstaff In Oshkosh Incident
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The Oshkosh Northwestern reports Wagstaff was charged last week with a misdemeanor charge of resisting an officer, which carries a maximum penalty of nine months in jail and a $10,000 fine. That's in addition to a previous first-offense drunk driving charge, stemming from the late-evening incident July 31 on the grounds at Wittman Regional Airport.
It's not looking good for her. The thing will be pushed off as long as possible with any means possible to weaken the case against her. Sooner or later, there will likely be a conviction and her ticket is fried. That's pretty sad as she has been an influential icon to so many young girls and their parents who go to see her show.
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It's not looking good for her. The thing will be pushed off as long as possible with any means possible to weaken the case against her. Sooner or later, there will likely be a conviction and her ticket is fried. That's pretty sad as she has been an influential icon to so many young girls and their parents who go to see her show.
I doubt her ticket would be completely fried...
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Old November 24th, 2008, 12:52 AM   #9
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I doubt her ticket would be completely fried...
I'd bet the feds will pull her ticket for a minimum of six months upon a DUI conviction and quite possibly as long as a year. Either way, that's going to hurt her scheduled appearances. Once that happens, her career is pretty much over.

Bottom line... if your job depends on an FAA certificate, tis a good idea to leave the booze alone for the duration and maybe a good full day before any flight. It's just not worth it. That's my wooden nickel's worth.
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I'd bet the feds will pull her ticket for a minimum of six months upon a DUI conviction and quite possibly as long as a year. Either way, that's going to hurt her scheduled appearances. Once that happens, her career is pretty much over.

Bottom line... if your job depends on an FAA certificate, tis a good idea to leave the booze alone for the duration and maybe a good full day before any flight. It's just not worth it. That's my wooden nickel's worth.
I'd say its worth more than a wooden nickel, but she was not flying drunk, she was driving drunk at a location with MASSIVE amounts of people. Bad move.

Drinking and driving is inexcusable.
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Re: What happened with Patty Wagstaff?

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
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Re: What happened with Patty Wagstaff?

A bit premature to come to that conclusion, Nick. We'll find out the truth someday, maybe, but we certainly don't know it yet.

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Re: What happened with Patty Wagstaff?

A single conviction is not grounds for revoking her medical (and that's the "ticket" that's at risk here, not her pilot certificate). If (and that's a big IF) she is convicted of DUI, then she'll have to report it, along with whatever court-mandated sobriety program she attends, and if the FAA treats her like any other pilot who flies for a living, she'll be watched closely for a recurrence, but retain her medical.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 08:19 AM   #14
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Re: What happened with Patty Wagstaff?

Driving a GOLF CART on a closed runway and it was an OUI not a DUI. An OUI could be issued for just sitting on a golf cart that has the keys in it. The details have not come out and eveyone is just guessing the worst. Innocent until proven guilty.
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We'll find out the truth someday, maybe
Not likely. Once things get into the court system you have two sets of lawyers trying their best to present a distorted picture of what happened in order to win.
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Not likely. Once things get into the court system you have two sets of lawyers trying their best to present a distorted picture of what happened in order to win.

The essence of the adversary system at work. It beats hell out of the alternative, though, doesn't it?
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A single conviction is not grounds for revoking her medical (and that's the "ticket" that's at risk here, not her pilot certificate). If (and that's a big IF) she is convicted of DUI, then she'll have to report it, along with whatever court-mandated sobriety program she attends, and if the FAA treats her like any other pilot who flies for a living, she'll be watched closely for a recurrence, but retain her medical.
Actually, I would expect that if she is convicted her FAA aerobatic waiver may be at risk too, but that's purely speculation on my part. I don't know what criteria they use for them. And I agree, the apparent tendency here to presume guilt is unwarranted.
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Driving a GOLF CART on a closed runway
I believe it was a Ford Mustang. Furthermore, it appears the state may have evidence to show she was driving on public roads on her way to the runway. Note that in Wisconsin, the arresting officer does not have to actually see you driving to make the arrest and for the state to get a conviction.
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and it was an OUI not a DUI. An OUI could be issued for just sitting on a golf cart that has the keys in it.
No. "OUI" is Wisconsin legalese for what most states call DUI. Check Wisconsin statute 346.63 for the details. If she gets anything other than a total acquittal on all charges, she's going to have to report this to the FAA under 61.15 within 60 days of the conviction, plea, or other motor vehicle action. As noted above, one strike is not normally enough to get your medical suspended, but it will effectively put you on probation with the FAA and usually requires completion of an alcohol abuse program.

BTW, the latest delay was reported by the Oshkosh Northwestern to have been because her attorney was involved in an accident and couldn't make her last court date.

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[quote=Ron Levy;379337]I believe it was a Ford Mustang. [\quote]

Now this is what I'm talking about, everything I've read has said golf cart... this is what we get for listening to the media and passing judgment without true knowlage of the facts.

I'll wait for the facts if we ever get them and until then will not presume guilt.

Though after seeing the system at work lately... I've become dissolusioned at our court system. We seem to have lost any sort of reason in it.
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I believe it was a Ford Mustang. Furthermore, it appears the state may have evidence to show she was driving on public roads on her way to the runway. Note that in Wisconsin, the arresting officer does not have to actually see you driving to make the arrest and for the state to get a conviction.
may not matter that it was private property or not. In Illinois operating a vehicle ANYWHERE while intoxicated is a violation of the law. Makes no difference if it was off road on private property or not. The law still applies.
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may not matter that it was private property or not. In Illinois operating a vehicle ANYWHERE while intoxicated is a violation of the law. Makes no difference if it was off road on private property or not. The law still applies.
It happened in Wisconsin, not Illinois. Suggest you read the relevent statute (section 346.63) at http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0346.pdf.
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It happened in Wisconsin, not Illinois. Suggest you read the relevent statute (section 346.63) at http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0346.pdf.
I know where it happened I was simply letting you know in some states private or public property makes no difference in the ability to be charged with DUIs
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may not matter that it was private property or not. In Illinois operating a vehicle ANYWHERE while intoxicated is a violation of the law. Makes no difference if it was off road on private property or not. The law still applies.
So, in Illinois I can't drink a beer while I mow the lawn? Wow. Velkum to Illinoiz, comrade.
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So, in Illinois I can't drink a beer while I mow the lawn? Wow. Velkum to Illinoiz, comrade.
Funny you should mention that. The law was written before I moved here but apparently what sparked the anywhere DUI law was that a drunk person on a lawmower ran over a kid and severly injured him. The incident occured on private property.
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Funny you should mention that. The law was written before I moved here but apparently what sparked the anywhere DUI law was that a drunk person on a lawmower ran over a kid and severly injured him. The incident occured on private property.
Ridiculous laws here in Michigan regarding what a "vehicle" consitutes. Even an innertube can be considered a vehicle. That's right, having a few brews while floating on a river can get you a OWI - and points/suspension of your license, and a report to the FAA. I played softball with 4 cops this summer, and when I heard that I was like "what?!?!?". They said yep, basically ANYTHING you sit, stand, lay, or ride on can be considered a vehicle. Even tubes, and winter sleds can be considered a vehicle and get you a OWI.
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