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Capt.Crash'n'Burn
June 30th, 2010, 12:48 AM
I've been trying to find out what the fastest planes out there on the market are and I'm not finding all the categories I'm looking for. Here's what I've got so far, can you help me fill in the blanks??

Single Piston: Mooney Acclaim
Twin Piston: ?
Single Turboprop: SOCATA TBM 850 (although the non-certified Epic LT is faster)
Twin Turboprop: Piaggio Avanti P 180

Single Jet (Civilian): ?
Twin Jet (civilian): ?

Have there been production planes in the past faster than what I have listed? Are there experimental craft on the market that are faster?

Teller1900
June 30th, 2010, 01:14 AM
Civilian twin jet I think would be the Citation X.

Let'sgoflying!
June 30th, 2010, 04:30 AM
I think the Gulfstream G650 has recently achieved that honor

Aztec Driver
June 30th, 2010, 07:45 AM
Piston Twin: Piper Aerostar

Capt.Crash'n'Burn
June 30th, 2010, 03:12 PM
Piston Twin: Piper Aerostar

Do you know if the Panther Navajo conversions come close to being as fast?

Speaking of conversions, are there any available for the Aerostar to further improve its performance?

Keith Lane
June 30th, 2010, 03:32 PM
Where does the Mitsubishi MU-2 fit in?
I always thought it at least looked fast.

http://www.google.com/images?q=mitsubishi%20mu-2&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

Steve
June 30th, 2010, 04:07 PM
every plane is for sale for the right price

Officially, for a piston single engine aircraft, the record is held by a Grumman F8F Bearcat at 528.88 mph, set on 21 August 1989.

Book cruise for an MU-2 is 300 mph.

For a Colemill Panther Navajo conversion the maximum speed is 275 mph @15,000'.

The 4-place (piston) Lancair IV has been clocked at 342 mph.

tonycondon
June 30th, 2010, 04:17 PM
I think the Gulfstream G650 has recently achieved that honor

i wouldn't be surprised if Cessna has something up their sleeve to retain their fastest bizjet claim.

Capt.Crash'n'Burn
June 30th, 2010, 08:03 PM
The 4-place (piston) Lancair IV has been clocked at 342 mph.

I read somewhere that the Acclaim has a higher cruise speed at lower altitudes.

I wish the manufacturers would make this easier and post the results of standardized tests. :incazzato:

wby0nder
July 1st, 2010, 01:14 AM
I read somewhere that the Acclaim has a higher cruise speed at lower altitudes.

I wish the manufacturers would make this easier and post the results of standardized tests. :incazzato:


Yea! For gods sake how in the world are we supposed to make an intelligent purchase without accurate information?

Capt.Crash'n'Burn
July 1st, 2010, 02:44 AM
Yea! For gods sake how in the world are we supposed to make an intelligent purchase without accurate information?

I'm just a geek doin' mah geeky thing. :goofy:

PittsDriver
July 1st, 2010, 08:34 AM
If all the manufacturers published unrefutable, standardized performance data, then what we we all lie about when we're together at Oshkosh about what our airplanes "true out at on xx g/h?"

Bob Noel
July 1st, 2010, 08:40 AM
If all the manufacturers published unrefutable, standardized performance data, then what we we all lie about when we're together at Oshkosh about what our airplanes "true out at on xx g/h?"

Because our airplanes are different from the factory-fresh
new aircraft flown by test pilots. We have the advantage
of more hours in our particular aircraft than those test pilots
(who probably fly dozens of models)

:wink2:

nyoung
July 1st, 2010, 10:35 AM
Piston twin is probably the Riley Turbo Rocket, which is an older model 310 reworked with Lycoming IO540s with dual (manual) turbos on each engine. If one doesn't care about engine life or fuel flow, it will do 300mph up high.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3608/3416652989_e92b4c64cd.jpg?v=0

tonycondon
July 1st, 2010, 10:47 AM
does the P-38 count as a piston twin?

Lance F
July 1st, 2010, 10:53 AM
For the civilian twin jet forget the Citation X and Gulfstream 650. Get the one of the Sukhoi SU 27 Flankers for sale at Pride Aviation in Rockford, IL. Mach 1.8. Both are registered with proper N numbers. Can't get more civilian than that.
http://www.prideaircraft.com/SU27-specs-01.pdf

Trapper John
July 1st, 2010, 11:03 AM
There are a couple of civilian-registered F-4s that would outrun the SU-27 (but not out handle it).

Capt.Crash'n'Burn
July 1st, 2010, 07:32 PM
The 4-place (piston) Lancair IV has been clocked at 342 mph.

Perhaps I should've specified certified production aircraft, the Lancair IV is a kit-plane.

Capt.Crash'n'Burn
July 1st, 2010, 07:33 PM
does the P-38 count as a piston twin?

If they produced a civilian-only model of it, I must've missed it. ;)

Ted DuPuis
July 2nd, 2010, 09:58 AM
Piston single, I'd agree the Mooney Acclaim Type S is probably the fastest.

Piston twin, Aerostar 700 for sure. The Navajo Panther conversions still used Chieftain engines, the (L)TIO-540-J2BD. They put out 350 hp, same as the TIO-540-W2As put in the Aerostar 700, but the Aerostar has a slicker body and is pressurized so you can use the power. Their website says 285 ktas at full power, 245 ktas @ 65%.

The Riley Turbostream 310 conversion that used those same 350 hp Navajo engines may go faster, I haven't looked at the specs on it. 700 hp in a 310 sure looks appealing. Looking at the Ram Series IV 310 conversion with the 325 hp engines, it says it'll do 217 ktas @ 12,000, 75% power, but doesn't list 18,000 ft and above. So it's probably pretty close to the Aerostar, but not quite there.

Capt.Crash'n'Burn
July 2nd, 2010, 03:53 PM
Piston twin, Aerostar 700 for sure.

According to Wiki, the 601 holds the closed speed record for a production piston twin. Of course, whether or not that's accurate is subject to verification. :wink2:

Henning
July 2nd, 2010, 10:12 PM
Do you know if the Panther Navajo conversions come close to being as fast?

Speaking of conversions, are there any available for the Aerostar to further improve its performance?

Multiple mods culminating in the Superstar 700 I believe.

AdamZ
July 2nd, 2010, 10:12 PM
i wouldn't be surprised if Cessna has something up their sleeve to retain their fastest bizjet claim.

I just saw something on MSN that the Citation was the fastest.

Henning
July 2nd, 2010, 10:23 PM
I've been trying to find out what the fastest planes out there on the market are and I'm not finding all the categories I'm looking for. Here's what I've got so far, can you help me fill in the blanks??

Single Piston: Mooney Acclaim
Twin Piston: ?

Have there been production planes in the past faster than what I have listed? Are there experimental craft on the market that are faster?

Is the Acclaim faster than the Malibu Mirage?

The piston twin will be a Superstar 700.

Experimental piston single will be the Lancair IVP at around 300kts (Nemesis NXT is faster, but that' s a really tough build and basically a purpose built racer) and turbine single I think is held by the Turbine Legend.

Henning
July 2nd, 2010, 10:45 PM
According to Wiki, the 601 holds the closed speed record for a production piston twin. Of course, whether or not that's accurate is subject to verification. :wink2:

The 60x series and their P variants were the "production" aircraft. Machen and now Aerostar Aircraft Corporation (who now owns the Type Certificate) have over the years developed modifications to the type which have increased the speed from the factory.

Everskyward
July 2nd, 2010, 10:58 PM
I just saw something on MSN that the Citation was the fastest.The Citation X has an Mmo of .92 and the G650 is supposed to come out at .925 when it is certified. I know that Citation has been putting winglets on the X. I wonder if they will try to have it certified at a higher speed like .9251. :D

Henning
July 3rd, 2010, 12:55 AM
The Citation X has an Mmo of .92 and the G650 is supposed to come out at .925 when it is certified. I know that Citation has been putting winglets on the X. I wonder if they will try to have it certified at a higher speed like .9251. :D

Next one needs to be a more serious effort, sub orbital at Mmo of 7.5....

Everskyward
July 3rd, 2010, 10:46 AM
Next one needs to be a more serious effort, sub orbital at Mmo of 7.5....Slowtation no more...

Let'sgoflying!
July 3rd, 2010, 12:47 PM
The Citation X has an Mmo of .92 and the G650 is supposed to come out at .925 when it is certified. I know that Citation has been putting winglets on the X. I wonder if they will try to have it certified at a higher speed like .9251. :D

Isnt it amazing the expense folks will go to in order to achieve a certain claim of fame? And a temporary claim at that!

Capt.Crash'n'Burn
July 6th, 2010, 04:46 PM
Is the Acclaim faster than the Malibu Mirage?

Yep, by quite a few knots.

...and turbine single I think is held by the Turbine Legend.

It may have at one time, but the Epic LT was a few knots fatster, and its newer cousin, the Epic Escape, has a max cruising speed of 365 ktas.

EDIT: Once the certified version of the LT, the Epic Dynasty is released, it will be faster than the SOCATA TBM 850 by more than 30 knots.

tonycondon
July 6th, 2010, 04:48 PM
I just saw something on MSN that the Citation was the fastest.

it is, the Gulfstream 650 has not finished flight test

Let'sgoflying!
July 6th, 2010, 06:22 PM
it is, the Gulfstream 650 has not finished flight test

When does a new speed achievement become official? Seems like this one is still slightly in doubt.


wiki:
Flight testing for the maximum operating speed of Mach 0.925 was announced as completed on May 4, 2010.

AOPA says
Gulfstream Aerospace may have trumped Cessna Aircraft May 2 by achieving a speed of Mach 0.925 during a test flight of its G650, just slightly above the Mach 0.92 cruise speed of the Citation X.
http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100504gulfstream.html?WT.mc_id=100507epilot&WT.mc_sect=gan

Anthony
July 6th, 2010, 08:37 PM
Grumman AA5B Tiger. Fastest PRODUCTION fixed gear, fixed prop 180 HP airplane.


Heh, heh, heh........

Capt.Crash'n'Burn
July 6th, 2010, 08:38 PM
Grumman AA5B Tiger. Fastest PRODUCTION fixed gear, fixed prop 180 HP airplane.


Heh, heh, heh........

I'll add it to the list. ;)

Ted DuPuis
July 7th, 2010, 07:24 AM
Grumman AA5B Tiger. Fastest PRODUCTION fixed gear, fixed prop 180 HP airplane.

Whatcha want, a cookie? :D

Trapper John
July 7th, 2010, 08:55 AM
Grumman AA5B Tiger. Fastest PRODUCTION fixed gear, fixed prop 180 HP airplane.

The DA40 is faster than a Tiger, so maybe you should say fastest out of production fixed gear, fixed prop 180 HP airplane with a sliding canopy and castering nosewheel.

Mtns2Skies
July 8th, 2010, 07:25 PM
The DA40 is faster than a Tiger, so maybe you should say fastest out of production fixed gear, fixed prop 180 HP airplane with a sliding canopy and castering nosewheel.

made out of aluminum too

Capt.Crash'n'Burn
July 8th, 2010, 10:48 PM
made out of aluminum too

Why is this starting to remind me of a scene out of a Monty Python movie??

Anthony
July 9th, 2010, 06:06 AM
Whatcha want, a cookie? :D


No, just a looooong runway.



:D

Ted DuPuis
July 9th, 2010, 07:25 AM
No, just a looooong runway.



:D

Silly runway hogs... ;)

TangoWhiskey
July 9th, 2010, 02:19 PM
i wouldn't be surprised if Cessna has something up their sleeve to retain their fastest bizjet claim.

It would appear you are correct:

http://www.kansas.com/2010/07/07/1393315/ron-ready-for-rebound.html

Partial quote:


PROVIDENCE, R.I. —Textron CEO Scott Donnelly cut jobs and shrank the finance unit to steer the maker of Cessna jets and Bell helicopters through the recession. Now he's preparing for recovery with new aircraft.

New models and upgrades to existing aircraft may come as soon as 2012, said Donnelly, who is boosting spending on research at Bell by about 50 percent and by a lesser, unspecified amount at Cessna during the next two to three years. His timeline would fit a recovery in corporate flying that industry analysts and executives expect in 2011.

"The programs are there, the teams are working, so we're going full-speed ahead," Donnelly, 48, said in an interview at Textron's headquarters in Providence. "You will see some refreshes, some block changes to some aircraft, and we also have a couple things in there that will be brand-new aircraft."


Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/07/07/1393315/ron-ready-for-rebound.html#ixzz0tD7cNHSs

cgcsa
September 11th, 2012, 07:39 AM
Fastest civilian Piston Twin unequivocally Riley TURBOSTREAM 310 with Lycoming 540's. I owned and flew one for seven years and 1200 hours. 300 knots. 3,000fpm ROC. Highest groundspeed I ever had 366 knots groundspeed one night Winnipeg-Toronto in 1979 at 21,000 with strong tailwind. That's over 400MPH.
A beautiful plane to fly. A legend.

Teller1900
September 11th, 2012, 02:15 PM
Where does the Mitsubishi MU-2 fit in?
I always thought it at least looked fast.

http://www.google.com/images?q=mitsubishi%20mu-2&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

I think it's the fastest per decibel (or perhaps loudest per knot?), but not close to all around fastest.

TangoWhiskey
September 11th, 2012, 03:35 PM
Fastest civilian Piston Twin unequivocally Riley TURBOSTREAM 310 with Lycoming 540's. I owned and flew one for seven years and 1200 hours. 300 knots. 3,000fpm ROC. Highest groundspeed I ever had 366 knots groundspeed one night Winnipeg-Toronto in 1979 at 21,000 with strong tailwind. That's over 400MPH.
A beautiful plane to fly. A legend.

Welcome to POA, Chris.

There's one for sale here:

http://www.aso.com/listings/spec/ViewAd.aspx?id=141852&listingType=true&IsInternal=True&searchId=309605&dealerid=

Ken Ibold
September 11th, 2012, 07:29 PM
It may have at one time, but the Epic LT was a few knots fatster, and its newer cousin, the Epic Escape, has a max cruising speed of 365 ktas.

EDIT: Once the certified version of the LT, the Epic Dynasty is released, it will be faster than the SOCATA TBM 850 by more than 30 knots.Yeah, don't hold your breath for anything certified coming out of Epic. On the other hand, the Kestrel is basically a modified LT.

Not fast, but the Epic Victory is one cool little jet. As one of the few people who have flown one, all I can say is I WANT ONE!

jFlight
September 11th, 2012, 11:49 PM
G650 was just certified as of a few days ago! I've worked a little on some of its equipment.

http://www.gulfstream.com/news/releases/2012/gulfstream-g650-receives-type-certificate.htm

jpower
September 12th, 2012, 12:29 AM
The Citation X has an Mmo of .92 and the G650 is supposed to come out at .925 when it is certified. I know that Citation has been putting winglets on the X. I wonder if they will try to have it certified at a higher speed like .9251. :D

0.935 actually! This little war is pretty entertaining.

JustA172
September 12th, 2012, 02:05 AM
Fastest civilian Piston Twin unequivocally Riley TURBOSTREAM 310 with Lycoming 540's. I owned and flew one for seven years and 1200 hours. 300 knots. 3,000fpm ROC. Highest groundspeed I ever had 366 knots groundspeed one night Winnipeg-Toronto in 1979 at 21,000 with strong tailwind. That's over 400MPH.
A beautiful plane to fly. A legend.

What kind of fuel burn did the Rocket have?

Anthony
September 12th, 2012, 11:28 AM
The DA40 is faster than a Tiger, so maybe you should say fastest out of production fixed gear, fixed prop 180 HP airplane with a sliding canopy and castering nosewheel.

Forgot about the Diamond. Nice airplane.